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NATIONAL JOURNAL OF HOMOEOPATHY 1996 Jan / Feb Vol V No 1.
George Vithoulkas.
Interviews.
1.THE REMEDY: NATRUM MURIATICUM
The Clinical condition-abuse of salt, chancre sore on lips.
Q 1: I have a patient who took salt tablets every day for a long time and he developed a great proving of Nat-m. Then he took some Nat-m successively and got much worse. He has been that way not for several years. Would you then give Nat-m high?.
George: High, Yes! see, these people who are very sensitive to poison oak, if they are exposed to a quantity which is sufficient enough, they may have a reaction that may kill them, but if you give them a 200 potency which is sufficient enough, they may have a reaction that may kill them, but if you give them a 200 potency of Rhus-t, it may cure them. that is why Kent said in one of his lectures that people who use low potencies, get away from killing people, because they are bad prescribers. If they had really found that was indicated and they would kill the person. The same thing happens if you gave Lycps low. You dont give it low, or you kill somebody.
You cannot imagine it. I should, have some prescriptions of he French doctors to show you.
Q 2: I ask to again, if someone is tested through potencies-they were given potencies frequently over a long period of time?.
George: And has created a picture of Nat-m. that person took 6x and created great aggravation. If he had taken 200, he might have been cured.
Q 3: But suppose he had taken 30 or 200 frequently over six months-every day six months-and had Nat-m highs then this higher potency cures?
George: If he had taken what potency?
Response: 200, say for six months.
George: That is another thing. He took pure salt mother in great quantities and created a picture of Nat-m. I say in this case that he may take 10M and be curd. Now you take a hypothetical case where somebody takes 200 for one month. What happens? In this case we have to explore the possibilities: first possibility: is that nothing would happen because the person is not at all sensitive to Nat-m. That is why we cannot prove the value of high potencies to the medical profession.
Response: There is no statistical stability.
George: Yes, But out of that group you will get two who will develop a symptomatology. These people will develop quite a floral symptomatology. Whether you will give a 50 m potency to counteract the one-month of-200 depends on whether the picture which they have created looks like Nat-m, then 50 M or a CM will antidote the 200.
Response:This is confusing me now because I had a case very much like that. He was a German automobile mechanic and he had a chancre sore on the lips. He went to a Homoeopath in New York who gave him Nat-m as a constitutional remedy. The chancre sore became aggravated and then got better. Then it came back after a month or two "Instead of wasting the money to go back to the doctor I will just go to the health good store and start taking 6x." So, as it says on the bottle of tablets, he took it every day. It first got worse and then better for a short period of time. Then it became worse again and the 6x no longer worked. So he went back and he started taking 12x no longer worked. So he went back and he started taking 12x every day. Then he got access to the remedy and the same thing happened. He kept getting worse and worse. He went higher and higher in potency until he was taking 1 or 2 potencies or something like that daily, or at least frequently, for a very long time. He was going higher and higher in potency and grafting the proving on to his system. So when I saw him, what I did was to go back to the patterns of what he was like two years ago, before all this started. There were some symptoms which were not Nat-m and were Sep. I gave him Sep, which, from what I can interpret, disrupted the grafting of the proving I should mention that during the proving it reached drastically into his mental plane. He became so fastidious, he could hardly do his work. He had to be cleaning his fingernails and his hands every five five minutes. He isolated himself completely from people. He had all the symptoms, but it was a drastic destruction. Sepia cleared him dramatically on the mental plane and the emotional plane. The eruption on he lip came out very strongly. After one month or so of Sep, I gave him a high potency single dose of Nat-m which cleared the case. I do not know if I was interpreting that right, but I think what happened was that because there was an impotency on the energy plane, it grafted Nat-m off and I thought that a higher potency would add more of hat.
George: That is interesting.
You see here first we have to examine the initial Nat-m which was given. Was it curative? I mean: did he really need Nat-m from the very beginning? This is the first thing you have to examine. If he needed Nat-m, that means Nat-m, curatively in the beginning. Then, in spite of that, the man kept taking it and reached a state where e did not need any more Nat-m. So the Nat-m had done a certain work and could not do anything more. Most probably he needed the complementary that case which is sep. In that case it is not necessary that we suppose that he will create a picture of Nat-m. He may create a picture of Sep or Ars.
Response: This patient was completely Na-m. Everything and every single symptom that he had; it was just unbelievable, Why?
Since identical?
George: I dont know or understand how a person with a picture of Nat-m can react to Sep. So that means that something was wrong in that whole thing.
Q 4: Can you explain the concept of grafting on symptoms with remedies?
George: Yes, let us understand that. I think that it has changed the picture from Nat-something was wrong in that whole thing.
George: Yes, let us understand that. I think that if Nat-m had acted curatively in the beginning, it means that it has changed the picture from Nat-m to something else. It cannot remain the same. If you would tell me that this person was not Nat-m from the beginning, he needed Sep, but instead the doctor gave him Nat-m, then I may understand how that person can graft a Nat-m constitutionally, but if he is not a Nat-m tendency. At some time during this taking of varied potencies of remedy the Nat-m picture must have withdrawn and left a new picture must have with drawn and left a new picture which is Sep, Apis or whatever it is. So when you gave Sep most probably the person was more Sep than Nat-m.
Q 5: Would you just see Sep symptoms?
George: You may have symptoms like a desire for sweets in both remedies, or a desire for salt but the salt is less than what it was in the beginning. Sep may have some desire for salt. You may have aggravation from both remedies-but you may have had certain symptoms.... Was: It was a man.
George: He may have had a lowering of the sexual desire, which is going towards Sep, which shows you the turn of the person towards another remedy.
Q 6: Why did you go back then to Nat-m? That was hard for me to figure out.
George: That may happen. You use one remedy, go to the complementary, and then again come back to the previous one. This patient, if he is cured now, must be feeling that he has changed a level. On this level where he was, he was taking 3 remedies and how he is going up to another level. If he continues treatment, he will definitely feel like another person. It is generally much better.
Q7: If he originally needed Sep and the doctor prescribed Nat-m and then he proved Nat-m. Would you still then give Nat-m high?
George: If the really has a Nat-m picture, I 3would definitely give Nat-m in a higher potency than what we have given. Then wait. But I see the original picture, then since I still have a valid Sep picture I would give Sep. The whole Nat-m picture is there and so you would definitely give Nat-m high.
2. THE REMEDY: Argentum-nitricum (CADS)
The Clinical condition: Neurasthenia and fever after childbirth.
George: Let us do the case which I gave you. But before that I would like to ask you why you selected that remedy, so it is better if I have your names. Some of the recommendations were Lyc, Puls and Phos would like Harvey to analyze the case and tell me why he prescribed, what symptoms you found, how you evaluated it.
Response: (from Harvey, presumably): I repertorised it using your underlining. A frequent remedy for me was Phos. I did not think that she sounded like Phos because she did not sound confused. She sounded angry, irritable and focussed. Also I did not understand about the fear of heat". I gather that means she is afraid of being in a warm room or a hot place.
George: She is afraid because she is suffering from the heat.
Response: So that also did not sound like Phos. Her fears fit Phos., but they also fit Puls. I went back and forth between Phos and Puls. I finally decided that she sounded...her openness, her expressiveness, her irritability, her openness, her expressiveness, her irritability, her...the essence sounded more like Puls than and with her fears and with her relationship to sweets.
George:The fear is not an established fear, it is just, "Oh, I am afraid of the heat." This is an expression to show how much she is bothered by the heat. Harvey says that according to repertorisation and the metal symptoms and fears, worse with heat, the person sound like Puls rather than Phos. Phos came up eh? So some of you decided to give Phos in spite of that. Who prescribed Phos?
Response: Phos can be aggravated by heat also.
George: Yes. Of course you must find this great aggravation by heat so prominent in Phos. I think we can put this aggravation by heat in italics.
Response:Kent separates Phos out. He says that head and stomach symptoms are better with cold and worse with heat. The rest of the physical symptoms are the opposite.
Q8: Isnt it more of an anxiety about other people than sympathy? She may worry about other but not necessarily feel their suffering. She may call that sympathetic because that sounds better.
George: Even so, that is a symptom which can be a natural thing for a woman. We can over-rule this.
Q 9: Doesnt Arg-n have anxiety about others?
George: It is not listed in the book.
Response: It has been added in the additions. "They can usually like salt."
George: In this one the salt is not right. If we had desire for sweets and desire for salt underlined three times, again we would immediately have said that this was an Arg-n case. By these desires you mind would immediately have said that this was an Arg-n case. By these desires your mind would have investigated other directions and then you would find out that this was all in place now. But we do not have a key-note here really of ARg-n. If we had desire for salt underlined three times then this too would become a keynote. But we do not have in this case, which may happen.
Q 10: Would you discuss sleep on the right side and the tachycardia on the left? That really threw me of. If is the opposite of Arg-n. but it is not pathological, it is common. It is not underlined.
George:The idea is that somewhere we must stop. We do not want Every symptom. W cannot have every symptom recorded down in our materia medica and cover the whole symptomatology. It is not possible. And that is why Homoeopathy is different. So what we try to do is to find the best solution with the given facts which might finally be the central remedy. And the best solution here is definitely Arg-n. So we found the best solution.
Q 11: I would like to ask about the relation of the symptoms to childbirth. This apparently all began with childbirth. It seems to me that would be related to Puls.
George: Why? Childbirth of course means a hormonal change in the life of the woman. It is a sudden hormonal change. It seems that the organism cannot adjust itself quickly enough to bring about balance and then we have this kind of pathology.
- Vide P 25 G Vithoulkas:The Science of Homoeopathy (B Jain Publishers Book Code 2545)
- Vide P30, ibid.
- Probably he means the Physical Plane, Vide P34, ibid.
